Ar tonelico 2 Frequently Asked Questions + Raki Glitch

[Fayharn]

no I mean ~_~


see this

Looks when it show the cosmosphere section!!


is the Lvl.6 in that is a glitch?

[L-Voss]

no I mean ~_~


see this

Looks when it show the cosmosphere section!!


is the Lvl.6 in that is a glitch?

Huh? It looks normal to me. And even the description includes "witch Luca".

[dervish_candela]

Huh? It looks normal to me. And even the description includes "witch Luca".

No, it's not. Probably localizers messed the order up. The picture is off. for level 6 there should be one that is displayed for the next level «absolute girlfriend» instead. Likewise, background for level 7 is the one shown for «blank score lullaby» in the extra menu. Since one can replay them from this very extra meny, it's easy to check.

[L-Voss]

Huh? It looks normal to me. And even the description includes "witch Luca".

No, it's not. Probably localizers messed the order up. The picture is off. for level 6 there should be one that is displayed for the next level «absolute girlfriend» instead. Likewise, background for level 7 is the one shown for «blank score lullaby» in the extra menu. Since one can replay them from this very extra meny, it's easy to check.

Ah, I see, thank you. ^^' Another example of how NISA can butcher a game >.>

[dervish_candela]

Another example of how NISA can butcher a game >.>

Actually, I don't quite get all this NISA Hate Club thing ^^; I've seen so many horrific translations of japanese media, both amateur and professional ones, that NISA's localization gets a well-deserved grade A from me (considering how much of non-trivial concepts translators did have to face, that's even amazing it came out so good). Most arguable points (like namings) are minor, actual mistakes are almost non-existent, style is good enough to not notice it.

Their attitude is inexcusable, though. When bugs pop up, you don't roll up excuses and leave it to fans to discovers 'how to defeat a boss in 2 turns', you do something about issues at hand and at least beta-test your products.

[aquagon]

Have you even bothered to read the retranslation project blog before making such statements?

[dervish_candela]

Have you even bothered to read the retranslation project blog before making such statements?

yes, I did. I guess our standards are a little off-scale to be compared
And since the integrity of storytelling in AT2 is awesome, small mistakes don't affect the whole picture much, too.

[aquagon]

These are mistakes that can't be called small in any way, given the twisting of the characters' personalities, and the number of translation errors (not to mention Hymmnos mangling and untranslated parts).

[dervish_candela]

These are mistakes that can't be called small in any way, given the twisting of the characters' personalities, and the number of translation errors (not to mention Hymmnos mangling and untranslated parts).

I kind of see what you mean. I was in a translation project once, with a goal to make a trulyworthit™ Haibane Renmei translation. We used to argue over every single word in every sentence, and we spent more than 1 year to polish that. But when I watched the film, I actually never cared much about the exact lines, I was just absorbing all about it, and since the film was good, the whole picture didn't need all the words much at all. Maube it's just me, but I think normally people are like this, and they don't go into subtlieties much if the whole thing speaks for itself. Except, f course, for those who do care a lot, but they aren't a majority of the audience.

[L-Voss]

These are mistakes that can't be called small in any way, given the twisting of the characters' personalities, and the number of translation errors (not to mention Hymmnos mangling and untranslated parts).

I kind of see what you mean. I was in a translation project once, with a goal to make a trulyworthit™ Haibane Renmei translation. We used to argue over every single word in every sentence, and we spent more than 1 year to polish that. But when I watched the film, I actually never cared much about the exact lines, I was just absorbing all about it, and since the film was good, the whole picture didn't need all the words much at all. Maube it's just me, but I think normally people are like this, and they don't go into subtlieties much if the whole thing speaks for itself. Except, f course, for those who do care a lot, but they aren't a majority of the audience.

Remember that most of people here are At fans in every way, though, so of course they do mind NISA's mistakes and pay attention to subtleties. ^^'

[nexusknight2]

wonder if the ultimate weapon for each character does that.

[Utsuho Lazy]

wonder if the ultimate weapon for each character does that. :|

Does what? Defeat Rhaki quickly? Well, if you play the game normally, collecting every possible recipes from shops, you should already have the ultimate weapons (or close to that) by the time you first reach Rhaki. And it's still fairly hard to beat her that fast. And as for the optional battles, as you get stronger from defeating her (the only sensible source of experience points at that point in the game) so does she.

So yup, best solution is to abuse the Blue Song trick. Or patch your game. Or get the European version which is rumored to not have this glitch. Or get Japanese version which obviously doesn't have this glitch.

[Melody_Light]

Another example of how NISA can butcher a game >.>

Actually, I don't quite get all this NISA Hate Club thing ^^; I've seen so many horrific translations of japanese media, both amateur and professional ones, that NISA's localization gets a well-deserved grade A from me (considering how much of non-trivial concepts translators did have to face, that's even amazing it came out so good). Most arguable points (like namings) are minor, actual mistakes are almost non-existent, style is good enough to not notice it.

Their attitude is inexcusable, though. When bugs pop up, you don't roll up excuses and leave it to fans to discovers 'how to defeat a boss in 2 turns', you do something about issues at hand and at least beta-test your products.

I agree with you. I mean, I love AT, don't get me wrong, and I know they changed a few things, but honestly, what doesn't get changed in translation? The Japanese love word play, and once it gets translated, that humor gets lost. As for characters' personalities, well, I've seen a WHOLE lot worse. I just recently picked up a game where the grammar is horrific, they kept calling one woman a 'him' (and trust me, it was not intentional...she was very much a woman...when she died in the game, everyone kept saying "why did HE have to die" or "I'll miss HIM"...LOL)...the game's called Lux Pain if anyone is curious as to what I'm talking about...

But then again, like L-Voss said, this is a rather dedicated site filled with major fans...fans so intense with AT that they learn hymmnos and create their own songs with it...LOL...(hey, I'm working on that too, so I guess I can't say much there...LOL)

[fueroandaqua]

hey, mind if I ask something?

What should I do to dive into Frelia? I read something about her kicking you out of her cosmosphere... Can you actually Dive into Her?.... How?!

[Deciare]

It becomes possible to Dive into Frelia near the end of Phase 5, after an event that happens just before the last boss. You'll know it when you see it; there'll be a fairly lengthy conversation about it.

[fueroandaqua]

It becomes possible to Dive into Frelia near the end of Phase 5, after an event that happens just before the last boss. You'll know it when you see it; there'll be a fairly lengthy conversation about it.

Which reyvateil´s route should I choose? Does it matter?

[Deciare]

It becomes possible to Dive into Frelia near the end of Phase 5, after an event that happens just before the last boss. You'll know it when you see it; there'll be a fairly lengthy conversation about it.

Which reyvateil´s route should I choose? Does it matter?

As far as I know, you'll encounter the event on anyone's route.

[dervish_candela]

but honestly, what doesn't get changed in translation? The Japanese love word play, and once it gets translated, that humor gets lost. As for characters' personalities, well, I've seen a WHOLE lot worse.

Well, I downgraded the translation after finishing the both routes, I wouldn't now say it's an A grade, but it's far from awful. They at least keep names and genders of all he main characters consistent between translators

[fueroandaqua]

It becomes possible to Dive into Frelia near the end of Phase 5, after an event that happens just before the last boss. You'll know it when you see it; there'll be a fairly lengthy conversation about it.

Which reyvateil´s route should I choose? Does it matter?

As far as I know, you'll encounter the event on anyone's route.

thank you so much! I´m diving into her now!

[fueroandaqua]

I´m so pissed off!! aaaghhhh!! I was playing the game to complete Luca´s Soulspace, and I did... After the start of Phase 5 I decided to play Jacqli´s Soulspace that I had saved in another file. then, I was going to save the little progress I made with Jacqli and accidentally wrote it over the file where Luca´s Soulspace was... aaaaaffff!!
(I know my English is not that good, sorry about that )