LD's Workshop: Feelings Contained and Explanations

[KiloTango]

Maybe they have a counting song, those are always fun. (Like, 10 in a bed, The Day I Went to Sea etc.)

[MidgitLD]

Maybe they have a counting song, those are always fun. (Like, 10 in a bed, The Day I Went to Sea etc.)

That's something to think about. It would be interesting to mesh the Hymmnos number pronounciation in with Elysian.

[Sonwe]

I was reading through your "Space Colony Elysium" and I find it really interesting... but I have a few questions:

How does the Dimensional Traveling works? In fact... what exactly is a dimension (like different universes or just the 4 common physical dimensions)?

The Colony has over 2 billion Reyvateil... but can only support 100,000 songs simultaneously? Ar tonelico doesn't have that much Reyvateil assigned to it and can still process 10.000.000 songs. I just have this feeling that might have Siance Lyuma a lot of Server overload... or does it use some sort of different song execution system to overcome this low capacity problem?

Xirza is male or female like the other Alpha?

Can I go live there and be a Reyvateil? *brutally killed*

Sorry to bother you with all these questions Midgit... but I'm so curious about your ideas!

[Ar-cen-ciel]

And to add, how much advancement have they made with the research with the language of the planet Ar Ciela, Midgit-san?

was thinking about making an Ar Ciela derivative...

[MidgitLD]

I was reading through your "Space Colony Elysium" and I find it really interesting... but I have a few questions:

And I don't mind answering!

How does the Dimensional Traveling works? In fact... what exactly is a dimension (like different universes or just the 4 common physical dimensions)?

You are correct in your first guess. In this instance, the word 'dimension' refers to a universe. Due to its sound wave based tech (with some extra stuff not yet planned out), it can only travel to universes with the same type of sound wave based creation. Which means that it will ALWAYS end up in another Ar Tonelico type universe. There is actually a song that the colony sings with Xirza that shifts the colony's dimensional frequency to that of another and allows it to phase from one universe to another. There is another song that they then sing upon arrival (before the colony can be eroded away by the new frequencies) to resonate it with that universe's 'Exa Pico' and be supported by it, therefore allowing it to maintain existence in that universe without much strain on the server or the Elysian Reyvateils. (The two songs haven't been written yet, but their functions will be pointed out once they make their appearance here in my thread. )

The Colony has over 2 billion Reyvateil... but can only support 100,000 songs simultaneously? Ar tonelico doesn't have that much Reyvateil assigned to it and can still process 10.000.000 songs. I just have this feeling that might have Siance Lyuma a lot of Server overload... or does it use some sort of different song execution system to overcome this low capacity problem?

Was it ten million? I must have read that wrong or was looking at some Infel Phira when I typed that. It should have the same simultaneous song processing capacities as Ar Tonelico. I'll see to correcting that information. If even that proves to not work with my two billion Reyva population, then it might be revised to something different in the future. Thanks for catching that for me!

Xirza is male or female like the other Alpha?

Xirza is female like her Ar Cielian counterparts. I still haven't worked out the entire story with her yet, but male Alphas aren't out of the question on Elysium. In the beginning, there were only females, just like on Ar Ciel. It was over time that the Reyvateil gene was eventually able to be passed on to males, thus allowing even male Alphas to be created that could reproduce.

Can I go live there and be a Reyvateil? *brutally killed*

Yus, male reyva on mai colony plz. XD 'Tis canon and okay.

Sorry to bother you with all these questions Midgit... but I'm so curious about your ideas!

It's perfectly fine. I'm surprised to see people taking an interest in it. Plus, it shows me how prepared and thorough (or not!) I've been with my information as I'm creating Elysium. Please feel free to ask me anything at anytime!

And to add, how much advancement have they made with the research with the language of the planet Ar Ciela, Midgit-san?
was thinking about making an Ar Ciela derivative...

Probably not very much. What's listed as canon is about the only information that they have at the moment. That may change with time, though. Any Elysian based 'advancements' on canon information will be listed accordingly as I brainstorm them.

[MidgitLD]

#2 of my Elysian children's songs!

(Untitled)

xifi fezika…
xifi fezika…
Little seed...
xifi fezika…
xifi fezika…
Little seed...
shAAn bir-fa fyur jr.c.h.-ja/.
shAAn bir-fa fyur jr.c.h.-ja/.
Will you wake up?

xifi fezika…
xifi fezika…
Little seed...
xifi fezika…
xifi fezika…
Little seed...
shAAn bir-fa v.r.f.-ja/.
shAAn bir-fa v.r.f.-ja/.
Can you play?

xifi fezika…
xifi fezika…
Little seed...
xifi fezika…
xifi fezika…
Little seed...
vAArfEE-ja lim bir/.
vAArfEE-ja lim bir/.
Can we play with you?

bAAwfAA lim mira, xifi fezika/.
bAAwfAA lim mira, xifi fezika/.
Run with us, little seed.
fyur zEEfrAAw tamlam/.
zEEfrAAw fyur tamlam/.
We will become friends.
fyur zEEfrAAw tamlam/.
zEEfrAAw fyur tamlam/.
We will become friends.


Still need to try a counting type song...

[MidgitLD]

Elysian Historical Archives
Here, one can find all recorded documents of main events of Elysium's history.

Ancient Records: Birth of Elysium and Siance Lyuma
From the verbally recorded folk history of the earliest inhabitants and personal account of Mother Xirza.

From a time long untold, the great song of Horus had grown angry. Metafalss’ Metafalica and Sol Cluster’s APPH projects had failed and the world was dying. It children, both human and Reyvateil, cried as the very mother that had given them life now sought to take it back. Everyone from the lowest human to the three Great Mothers wept at the coming end that would destroy them all.

But, a traveling Reyvateil and her companion appeared. First, to Mother Eolia, then to Mother Frelia and the Sisters of Infel Phira, then to Mother Tilia, asking each time for access to their stores of data. She confirmed what they already knew: that their planet would soon destroy them.

The traveler then disappeared for three days and three nights. Some say she ascended into the sky above Horus. Some say she disappeared into a cloud of glyphs. Some say she merely hid. None truly knew where she disappeared to with her companion…

At daylight on the fourth day, they appeared before Mother Eolia with a plan. By joining the strength of the towers and Infel Phira together with her, she could create a home in the sky above the planet large enough to save the people of the three regions. She then gave Mother Eolia the crystal for EXEC_INI/. and said to await the appointed time. She then went to Mother Frelia and the Sister of Infel Phira and told them of her plan, adding that Sol Marta would be the ideal place for the staging ground of her plan. Though there was opposition at first, Mother Frelia agreed and was given EXEC_RIFAIEN/. while the Sisters were given METHOD_ARHOU/. . The traveler then continued on to Mother Tilia, who approved and was given EXEC_RIOMO/. .

As the Great Mothers prepared, the traveler grew a deep sadness in her heart as she knew they would not finish preparing in time. She disappeared with a heavy heart.

From a region towards the south only a few days later, an anomaly moved past Sol Marta emitting a song in the voice of the traveler as it moved out beyond even Sol Marta’s orbit. Mother Eolia, being the oldest, took this as the sign she had been told to weight for and began to sing the hymn she had been given. It’s song reached even Metafalss through Sol Marta, where Mother Frelia and the Sisters of Infel Phira began to sing their songs. Mother Tilia, recognizing a similar life, also began her song. The anomaly’s song continued, only growing until its song was heard in all regions as its size grew and shape changed, forming a great station that resembled a great Heart of the Land that shined like a jewel against the light of the sun.

From this great new station, the traveler returned as great ships descended upon the lands of Sol Ciel, Metafalss, and Sol Cluster. The traveler soothed them and told their purpose of taking the people to the station named Elysium, and to begin the transcription of every Reyvateil that wished to leave to the new server, Siance Lyuma, ‘Star of Paradise’ in the language of the IPDs.

As their children were ferried to their new home in the sky, the traveler worried for the three Great Mothers for they were tied to their homes far most closely than their children. She went to each of them and took a sample of their essence, in order to preserve their codes in the event of their loss. Once safely hidden within Elysium, the traveler meditated on how to save the Great Mothers. She and her companion returned to Horus in its final days with a way to save the three great Reyvateil Mothers.

But it was not to be…

Mother Frelia did not survive the transcription process because of her missing D-Cellophane.

Mother Tilia had spent much of her energy in becoming the tower that she also did not survive.

Upon hearing the demise of her sisters, Mother Eolia grew heavy of heart, and chose to stay and see the end of Horus.

“I will see you off. Remember us and take care of them.” She said to the traveler before retiring to the Rinkernator.

The traveler returned to the colony, and wept. Those connected to the server at the time also were overcome by a great sadness and wept. As the colony moved away, the sweet sound of Phantasmagoria saw it along it’s way.

The people, no longer Sol Cielian, Metafalssian, and Clusterian, but Ar Cielian, proclaimed the traveler their savior and gave her the title of such.

[Ar-cen-ciel]

That's a pretty sad story. That too, did the world mentioned above had the name "Grathnode Inferia" in their history?

Also, it seems that the Siance Lyuma had existed before the world's demise, when it is built exactly?

Do you mind if you made at least a few Hymmnos words from the song?

[KiloTango]

Your Seed song and the historyDump are really cool. I like that you don't have the Admin copying be successful.

(Man, you're making me want to write up more docs about the Tek Riafa server.)

[MidgitLD]

That's a pretty sad story. That too, did the world mentioned above had the name "Grathnode Inferia" in their history?

Yeah, the beginnings of Elysium were very, very sad, but what they managed to do much later far outweighs their original loss. The Grathnode Inferia happened in this alternate universe like in canon. What did not go like the games is that Mir was killed, Metafalica was never attempted a second time, and the AHHP program in Cluster did not succeed.

Also, it seems that the Siance Lyuma had existed before the world's demise, when it is built exactly?

Elysium(the colony) and Siance Lyuma (the song server within the colony) were created as the world was slowly beginning to destroy what remained of the towers. It was created using a special machine called a DAIMU, which came from another dimension entirely. It was able to make the colony and the server within two days.

Do you mind if you made at least a few Hymmnos words from the song?

I don't believe I understand your question.

Your Seed song and the historyDump are really cool. I like that you don't have the Admin copying be successful.

Originally, I thought of saving them, but that would make the colony having four separate admins (original Alphas + Elysian alpha to come), which would require four separate SH Servers for them. That could potentially cause a splitting of the colony's original inhabitants back into their original country groups. So, I thought that it would make leaving the planet are far more sad process if the original Ar Cielian Alphas were lost. When I thought about it, having no D-Cellophane for her systems to check on could cause problems for Frelia, and Tilia spent so much energy (that a Reyvateil of her type would normally never spend at once) with her tower that I could see her body giving out before the transcriptions were complete. Technically speaking, Eolia should not have had any problems transcribing over since her connectivity to her own tower was a mere 10-ish percent and she still had her HD-Cellophane. But, being the first Alpha, I figured that it would be some sort of a sad, yet poetic ending that she died with the planet. So, she watched the colony leave from the Observatory in the Rinkernator with a smile on her face, knowing that her children and the humans under her care survived.

But, I plan for the partial transcriptions to have unexpected repercussions later on in the colony history. XD

But Eolia, Frelia, and Tilia were not the only victims, there was a small percentage (a good half of which was 3rd generations) from each group that didn't survive the transcription process to Siance Lyuma. I plan for the colony to have a memorial somewhere in one of the main gardens for the three Alphas and those Reyvateils lost during the mass transcription process.

(Man, you're making me want to write up more docs about the Tek Riafa server.)

Then do it, woman! XD This particular entry was written as if a recompilation from the personal accounts of many different people, and before things were closely recorded by the colony computers. So dooooo eeeet! No one's stopping you!

[KiloTango]

Elysium(the colony) and Siance Lyuma (the song server within the colony) were created as the world was slowly beginning to destroy what remained of the towers. It was created using a special machine called a DAIMU, which came from another dimension entirely. It was able to make the colony and the server within two days.

Oh, a Breaker did it? I didn't realise this was Omni-related. Y'know, the story you've got here is interesting enough to stand on it's own. It wouldn't take that much dev to make it self-contained.

[MidgitLD]

Elysium(the colony) and Siance Lyuma (the song server within the colony) were created as the world was slowly beginning to destroy what remained of the towers. It was created using a special machine called a DAIMU, which came from another dimension entirely. It was able to make the colony and the server within two days.

Oh, a Breaker did it? I didn't realise this was Omni-related. Y'know, the story you've got here is interesting enough to stand on it's own. It wouldn't take that much dev to make it self-contained.

Technically speaking, yes, it's Omni related, but not canonically. It's a tangent future for Breaker LD and Bee. After the birth of Xirza, she ends up leaving to let the colony develop itself, though. How else could a giant ass colony like that be created on such sort notice? XD

I have been trying to make it its own thing, but it's been hard to get that initial creation of the colony and song server together without the use of a Breaker and a Daimu. It's still a work in progress though, so we'll see what happens. Until I can come up with something that works, this'll be the history placeholder for now.

[KiloTango]

Well, it being AT, massive epic collab Hymn is always an option.

Haha, if you totally don't find an idea that works, massive collab hymn amplified by Tek Riafa is something I'd be okay with (seeing as that thing was designed to kick-start the planet again if it was running properly, rejigging it for tower creation and plugging in enough Reyvateils would probably actually be enough to do it. It wouldn't mean that the new Elysians would need to speak TF or anything, as I don't think the Tek Riafa server would follow them and you don't have to sing in TF to be amplified by it.)

But really, you have a dialect that is built on the idea of lots singing at once, I reckon you could formulate a way of it being used to create the tower.

[MidgitLD]

Well, it being AT, massive epic collab Hymn is always an option.

Haha, if you totally don't find an idea that works, massive collab hymn amplified by Tek Riafa is something I'd be okay with (seeing as that thing was designed to kick-start the planet again if it was running properly, rejigging it for tower creation and plugging in enough Reyvateils would probably actually be enough to do it. It wouldn't mean that the new Elysians would need to speak TF or anything, as I don't think the Tek Riafa server would follow them and you don't have to sing in TF to be amplified by it.)

But really, you have a dialect that is built on the idea of lots singing at once, I reckon you could formulate a way of it being used to create the tower.

I thought about it being made from song magic, but that would mean that it needs to be supported by song magic at all times. I wasn't too keen on that in the event that something could happen to the server, which could potentially mean the destruction of everyone on board. Of course, that could be an interest plot point for stuff in the future...

[Ar-cen-ciel]

I'm terribly sorry. What I actually meant is to make a Hymmnos depicting the sad fate of the Ar Ciellians. Also, who is this savior anyway, that has the Reyvateil trait even before Siance Lyuma is created?

As a side note, because I failed to implement Ar Ciela language into the song, I decided to split the original into two different songs: codenamed Sol and Lune respectively.

[MidgitLD]

I'm terribly sorry. What I actually meant is to make a Hymmnos depicting the sad fate of the Ar Ciellians. Also, who is this savior anyway, that has the Reyvateil trait even before Siance Lyuma is created?

Ah. Well, currently, I have no intentions of making a hymn about that part of their history. If you'd like to give it a shot, then you're more than welcome to, but at this time, I'm more focused on other things concerning the colony.

The savior mentioned is a far future variant of a character that I have elsewhere. She's an interdimensional 'police' of the sorts. In this version of her, she's been studying the Ar Tonelico game worlds and has assumed a Reyvateil form for blending in. Because she shares a special link with her Daimu (the companion in the story), he is also her song server (therefore she is both admin and the only supported Reyvateil of his server, which is named Lyaglansee Poe (or God Seed, in English). (This is also where the server name in my forum title comes from. ) However, her background is lost in the Elysian history over time and eventually becomes an Elysian myth to the colony's people instead of a historical fact. By present times, only some of the oldest of the Iyaakafra (the sentient robots of the colony) know that the Savior of their myths and legends was more than just a Reyvateil that saved them.

However, her involvement after their initial rescue is extremely minimal once Xirza is installed at Siance Lyuma's administrator. In fact, she leaves the colony altogether for another dimension in order to not interfere with any farther development. (From a development stand point, the savior figure may be changed to something else that is not an interdimensional traveler, so don't assume that it is set in stone just yet. )

[MidgitLD]

In heeding the ever wise wisdom of KT, I'm going to revise the origin history of Elysium and Siance Lyuma so that it can stand alone in the AT universe without ties to the previous savior character that I was using.

What you can look forward to in the future:
Some Alterverse history and events
Alterverse's fourth tower/server and it's role in the creation of Elysium and Siance Lyuma
The origins of Elysium's Alpha and administrator
The development of the Elysian dialect
A revision of the recently posted Ancient Record Done

Don't worry, the record will still be more or less the same, but with a different savior figure and method of creating the colony.

[MidgitLD]

Finally got the historical archive revised!

[Sphilia_xX]

That story sounds interesting, and sad at the same time...
Haha, even I had troubles revising and developing Ar Tolia, though the Tower's dialect is finally completed.

[MidgitLD]

:<
That story sounds interesting, and sad at the same time...
Haha, even I had troubles revising and developing Ar Tolia, though the Tower's dialect is finally completed.

Yeah, the origin of Elysium and Siance Lyuma is quite sad.

The history of Elysium is currently a work in progress, so right now it is far from completed. And even what that particular archive entry said not the entire truth. Whenever you deal with the history or culture of a place, you have to look at how the average person is, the political person, and what may be the history as it is told as well as the truth of what actually happens.

And don't be afraid to rewrite something. The original concept of Elysium was deeply rooted in another RP, but I managed to switch it from that to something that can stand alone in the AT universe.