Progress report

[kWhazit]

Getting back into translational progress and I've got another level ready:

http://metafalica.metalbat.com/kwhazit/LucaCS/LucaCSLv7.rar

My favorite part would have to be when

Spoiler for a Cosmophere event:  [ Open ]

Luca is basically strangling Croix half to death and screaming at him LOVE ME! LOVE ME! WHY WON'T YOU LOVE ME! THERE'S NOTHING ABOUT ME NOT TO LIKE!! YOU MUST BE CRAZY!!!

I'm most of the way though Level 8 too, so that shouldn't be too much longer.

And if no one minds, I'd like to claim the Skycat shop events since most of them are specifically connected with Luca. It might make sense for fet to do Sasha's and aquagon to do Spica's for similar reasons, but it's up to you. Cynthia is more Croix-centric, so she can go to whoever wants her.

EDIT: A quick check of the shop text reminds me of two related questions:

What are we doing with Skycat's 先輩? It's definitely NOT "master" (unlike

Spoiler for Cosmosphere event:  [ Open ]

her ご主人様 in Frelia's CS,

which makes the latter lose impact), but there's no good English equivalent either. It's just a title for someone with more experience or tenure.

Are we changing any item names? If so, we ought to keep a list of them somewhere or have items as their own miniproject. If not, that could make things trickier for translating item creation events.

[aquagon]

Well, here's a preliminary something.

http://winter.limitedwish.railsplaygrou ... _verify.rb (Also requires the ccodes.rb file used by the other tools.)

It looks for single-byte characters in a very unsophisticated way, but one that should catch the basics anyway. Here's the output from running it on those four files that had problems:

Testing 0.txt...
Possible error in line 34: " " (32)
Testing 25.txt...
Testing 28.txt...
Possible error in line 83: "?" (63)
Testing 52.txt...
Possible error in line 21: "W" (87)

It'll only tell you about the last character in the line that appears to be a problem, though I can probably do something about that... later. In 0.txt you've got a single-byte space and a double-byte space next to each other, so it's not obvious. 52.txt is an odd one. You've got "NEWＡｎｄ　ａｓ" for line 21... missing the colon. No errors showed up for 25.txt, so there's got to be something else causing problems there.

-Morgan.

Ok, thanks for the program, Morgan. The only feature I could ask for it would be for the program to save the output into a log, but for the time being, it's a valuable asset. I'm working right now in checking all the scripts to find problems, and correct them before reuploading them.

Sorry I've pretty much disappeared for over half a year. I helped with some of the earlier technical issues but I'm mainly in charge of the technical side of menu text insertion (at least I think I am). From what little I've gleaned, menu text seems to be on lowest priority anyhow (I'm fine with that). There is still work to be done on some of those dumps I did before full insertion becomes possible, but I have still been busy with my other projects and recently motivational issues.

When menu text insertion becomes an important issue, I'll certainly come back to help you guys with it. I haven't seen these forums since I last posted and likely won't check them often. If I'm needed, PM me at my forum at http://forum.tales-cless.org/ or if it's easier, tell Rarutos to let me know, if you know him (not sure if this forum software sends email notifications of PMs).

For what it's worth, I went against my semi-boycott of NISA the other day and ordered the reprint of AT2 the other day. I'm curious to see if they changed anything from the original release. I'll let you know if there are any differences.

Glad to see you around again, Cless. I have been checking your forums at least once per week, and I'm glad that you're getting better from the problem you had recently. We'll be getting in contact with you as soon as we might need your help. And also, good luck with your Tales of Phantasia project!

Getting back into translational progress and I've got another level ready:

http://metafalica.metalbat.com/kwhazit/LucaCS/LucaCSLv7.rar

My favorite part would have to be when

Spoiler for a Cosmophere event:  [ Open ]

Luca is basically strangling Croix half to death and screaming at him LOVE ME! LOVE ME! WHY WON'T YOU LOVE ME! THERE'S NOTHING ABOUT ME NOT TO LIKE!! YOU MUST BE CRAZY!!!

I'm most of the way though Level 8 too, so that shouldn't be too much longer.

And if no one minds, I'd like to claim the Skycat shop events since most of them are specifically connected with Luca. It might make sense for fet to do Sasha's and aquagon to do Spica's for similar reasons, but it's up to you. Cynthia is more Croix-centric, so she can go to whoever wants her.

EDIT: A quick check of the shop text reminds me of two related questions:

What are we doing with Skycat's 先輩? It's definitely NOT "master" (unlike

Spoiler for Cosmosphere event:  [ Open ]

her ご主人様 in Frelia's CS,

which makes the latter lose impact), but there's no good English equivalent either. It's just a title for someone with more experience or tenure.

Are we changing any item names? If so, we ought to keep a list of them somewhere or have items as their own miniproject. If not, that could make things trickier for translating item creation events.

Good to know you're also making good progress, kWhazit. And also, I think we haven't decided yet anything about the shop events, but I think that, as you suggested, it will be the best for me to do Spica's events (though things will get a tad problematic once we start working in the ERX file containing the synthesis conversations). And about the item names, I think that some will need a check to see if they were translated accurately or not.

[Cless]

Mainly chiming in to say that I have received NISA's reprint and...it's a 1:1 binary copy of the original release. You'd think they could have at least authored a new master disc with the bugs fixed, which shouldn't have taken any time. Feh...

Glad to see you around again, Cless. I have been checking your forums at least once per week, and I'm glad that you're getting better from the problem you had recently. We'll be getting in contact with you as soon as we might need your help. And also, good luck with your Tales of Phantasia project!

Thanks. I'm so looking forward to the time I can finally put that project out of mind!

[aquagon]

And well, after some tests, I have come to believe that what causes the freeze with the scene from 52.evd is actually related to the Hymmnos format dialogues, given that everything else seems to be perfectly in order (they seem to be modifiable, but the results are bit random, with a crash being the most probable outcome).

[kWhazit]

Mmmm, progress....
http://metafalica.metalbat.com/kwhazit/LucaCS/LucaCSLv8.rar
http://metafalica.metalbat.com/kwhazit/LucaCS/LucaCSLv9.rar

Also the "Various cosmosphere events " files from 728~736, and the two TEST files 737 and 738 for good measure.
http://metafalica.metalbat.com/kwhazit/LucaCS/various728to738.rar

734 and 735 appear to be Infelsphere Phase 2 events for when a new area doesn't open, one for each version of the phase. The rest are all assorted Luca CS events, which is why I included them here. So have fun with those, and I guess I'll work on Skycat shop events next. I'd like to look into item names and IPD catalog entries too, but like I said on the naming thread, I'm not sure where to get the text for those.

[aquagon]

First, congratulations on completing Luca's Cosmosphere, kWhazit!

And well, the item names and IPD catalog entries all are in the texts stored in the main executable file of the game, and here's the dump that Cless made from it (both the JP and US versions).

http://www.tales-cless.org/AT2exedump.7z

[kWhazit]

More news already! I'm done a first draft of the items file.
http://metafalica.metalbat.com/kwhazit/23Jan2010itemTable.rar

The text is in a spreadsheet for easier viewing and editing, and because I'm a bit afraid to mess with those exe dump files.... Most names are fine as-is, a few are in definite need of adjustment, and then there are the ones I can't figure out. The worst of them follow:

Spoiler for item names:  [ Open ]

エリギニ / Musselshroom: The Japanese name doesn't seem to mean anything.
ぺぺんべい / Pippencuit: "Pippen" becomes "Pepen". The "cuit" is supposed to be from "biscuit", but there's probably a better way to handle it. べい is short for 煎餅 (biscuit/rice cracker/cookie).
ゲロッゴ / Gergo & ゲロシゴ / Geugo: The ゲロ is a frog noise, but it's probably easier to keep Gergo and Geugo than try to force it.
とろとろむらむら / Softly Sexy: A combination of two "sound effect" words. I swear this thing is evil. My current preference is "Syrupy Arousal", but refer to the notes in the spreadsheet.
ポチットニー / Pushe-me: I'm sure there's some kind of wordplay here, but the meaning escapes me.
征パ丸 / Peepsid PA: 征 and パ are short for 征服 and パスタリア, roughly "conquer Pastalia". My current best effort is "Conque P Drops".
ルクク茶 / Locuac Tea: Unless ルクク means something, I prefer a more phonetic spelling like "Lucuk".
クエル酸ショコラ / Citrate Chocolate: クエル酸 could be 食える酸 ("edible acid"), or it could be just another made-up name. Citric acid is クエン酸.
走召木亥火暴 / Nuclear EX: Luca's kanji hell strikes again. Most seem to have no relevant meaning, and it doesn't seem to be sounding anything out either.
和流焼菓 / Baked Crackercake: Literally "Japanese-style baked cake". How's "Oriental Cakefry" sound?
シャロンド・トロワ / Chalonde Trois: Pretty sure this should be "Chalon de Trois", but I'm not too good at French.
セイマゴクシン / Holy Devil Belief: Amarie's weapons are kanji hell, minus the kanji. Most didn't give me much trouble anyway, but I'm not even sure where to start on this one.
チェチェリ / Checheli: Does this actually mean anything? If so, is it spelled correctly?

Recurring items from Ar Tonelico keep the same names, of course. Except for that one accessory that's probably the same item but has a deliberately different name.

The descriptions tended more toward the iffy category, with many dropping interesting information or forgetting that Croix is narrating, and most completely ignoring the frequent らしい ending, indicating that this is second-hand information.

Also, I've paid minimal attention to length for now, so it's possible that some of these may need to be trimmed.

EDIT: I've also done minimal cross-checking, so make sure to check for consistency!
EDIT2: Link updated to newer version of the item table with some typos fixed.

[Niyaya]

More news already! I'm done a first draft of the items file.
http://metafalica.metalbat.com/kwhazit/23Jan2010itemTable.rar

The text is in a spreadsheet for easier viewing and editing, and because I'm a bit afraid to mess with those exe dump files.... Most names are fine as-is, a few are in definite need of adjustment, and then there are the ones I can't figure out. The worst of them follow:

Spoiler for item names:  [ Open ]

とろとろむらむら / Softly Sexy: A combination of two "sound effect" words. I swear this thing is evil. My current preference is "Syrupy Arousal", but refer to the notes in the spreadsheet.

Spoiler for "item name response":  [ Open ]

Even if it's not a very accurate translation of the Japanese, I kind of like "Softly Sexy" as is...

Perhaps I'm in the minority, but *shrug*

[Kensou77]

Spoiler:  [ Open ]

yeah, "softly sexy" doesn't fit with "torotoro muramura".... syrupy arousal fits it more but still... maybe not fully... which item?... (didn't dl the sheet yet)

[kWhazit]

Minor update to the item table after I noticed an alternate interpretation of ヒモ that Skycat uses in an early shop event.
http://metafalica.metalbat.com/kwhazit/05Feb2010itemTable.rar

This part of the update is more interesting, though:
http://metafalica.metalbat.com/kwhazit/05Feb2010IPDCollection.rar

That includes their names, the tasks they demand, the current status messages from the collections menu ("was contained...", "was cured...", "joined the Fan Club..."), the minibio lines on the third page of collection menu data, the personality traits and corresponding skills and descriptions, the pre-battle messages that typically explain what sort of attacks or opponents to expect, and the names of the five Fan Club branches. Phew!

Most of it wasn't so bad, but there are some here and there I'm not too sure about, and some of the lines may need to be trimmed for length. Also, a lot of the names are up for debate, particularly since the Hymmnos and Japanese names simply fail to match each other for a number of the entries. My guess is they changed some of the names partway through development and forgot to update the Hymmnos.

Oh, and a disturbing number of the entries I expected to find simply weren't in that file. Probably they're in another one, but it's disconcerting to find gaps in the data....

[Morganite]

You may have noticed that the wiki is down.

I'm not sure why, but the account is showing as having been cancelled last year. (Although the service that was paid for continued until just recently.) I've sent in a support ticket on the issue. Based on my past experience with the company, I don't think reactivation will be a problem, but it may take a couple days.

Edit: All is now well. The apparent cancellation was due to the company switching to a new billing system, which I hadn't received a notice about due to email issues. The account has already been unsuspended, and I've paid for another year of hosting.

-Morgan.

[aquagon]

You may have noticed that the wiki is down.

I'm not sure why, but the account is showing as having been cancelled last year. (Although the service that was paid for continued until just recently.) I've sent in a support ticket on the issue. Based on my past experience with the company, I don't think reactivation will be a problem, but it may take a couple days.

Edit: All is now well. The apparent cancellation was due to the company switching to a new billing system, which I hadn't received a notice about due to email issues. The account has already been unsuspended, and I've paid for another year of hosting.

-Morgan.

Okay, thank you very much for dealing with this problem, Morgan. Now we can continue working in the retranslation as normal.

Edit on 18/02: And well, I'm pleased to announce that I have just finished retranslating Phase 5. Tomorrow I'll get set on translating the scripts for the endings, so we can finally give closure to the scripts for the main storyline.

Edit on 19/02: Well, we can take for finished the translation for the main storyline, since I have just finished translated the scripts for the endings. Now, I'll sit back for a while to translate other part of the Ar tonelico 2 Official Material Book.

[Kensou77]

Minor update to the item table after I noticed an alternate interpretation of ヒモ that Skycat uses in an early shop event.
http://metafalica.metalbat.com/kwhazit/05Feb2010itemTable.rar

brief glance.. 250.

remember it doesn't have to be Pose because it could also be Paws or Pause... etc... even Poes i guess.. i don't remember the item/image to know for sure but i might be able to check later when i can access my save data

[aquagon]

Minor update to the item table after I noticed an alternate interpretation of ヒモ that Skycat uses in an early shop event.
http://metafalica.metalbat.com/kwhazit/05Feb2010itemTable.rar

brief glance.. 250.

remember it doesn't have to be Pose because it could also be Paws or Pause... etc... even Poes i guess.. i don't remember the item/image to know for sure but i might be able to check later when i can access my save data

As far as I remember, the Spherial/Sphilial Pose had the shape of a blue sphere.

[Kensou77]

should we release a patch v0.01 etc?...

[SleepingTiger]

I don't think you should.

[aquagon]

Considering how the texts are now, that's not possible: some lines need to be trimmed, because they run over the text box, and sometimes even off the screen (not to mention the excessive literal approach I had to take with some phrases because I couldn't figure out a nice equivalent in English), and some events require testing to see if they don't cause any kind of problems, such as text corruption, or a complete freeze.

[SleepingTiger]

Meaning that it's not even ready for an alpha release, right?

[aquagon]

Correct, considering that the text hasn't even been properly edited.

[Kensou77]

school is done now and i need to know what there is here i can work on. let's get this done asap. or at least get on to visuals and an alpha release